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There’s a dark cloud hanging over today’s show. And that’s not an oncoming radiation cloud a la Nevile Shute. John is in desperate need of David Pannick KC.

Simply put, the integrity of a decade of Made Up Games now has questions over it. And Robins is defiant.

Is there now an asterisk over every ‘win’ John has accumulated? Is every time he ground Elis’s dignity into the dirt false? What was he getting away with before the days of fully visualised podcasts? Is John simply a sham player?

The boys also taste meringues.

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