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General election: Clash of campaign veterans

Former Conservative Party chairman Sir Eric Pickles and former Labour 91福利社 Secretary Alan Johnson have enjoyed - or suffered - many election campaigns.

The two veterans squared up to each other to discuss how the current campaign is going so far.

"I can say I want my side to win without having to cross my fingers," Sir Eric Pickles told Martha Kearney.

Theresa May is "scared" of a leaders' debate, replied Alan Johnson.

(Conservative's Sir Eric Pickles and Labour's Alan Johnson. Credit: 91福利社/Getty Images)

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